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		<title>Comment on When is discrimination OK? by Suricou Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2007/11/20/when-is-discrimination-ok/#comment-16882</link>
		<dc:creator>Suricou Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in university, they had a sign that really annoyed me - prominantly displayed next to the student affairs office, a proud boast that the university would not discriminate against people because of their age, gender, sexual orientation, background, nationality, religion or academic ability.

Some of that I can agree with. But doesn't a university refusing to discriminate on grounds of academic ability sort of defeat the whole purpose of a qualification? They are supposed to test people, and discriminate against those who fail the tests by refusing to give them the certificate.

I also think it dangerous for any academic organisation to be too dedicated to not discriminating on grounds of religion, because it also means they lose the ability to ridicule and dismiss people with obviously nonsense theories that have religious origins. Creationism comes immediatly to mind, but I really wouldn't be surprised if I were to read about a doctor suing a med-school for religious discrimination because they wouldn't tolerate his religious view that all disease is caused by demonic posession and can be cured only by exorcism :&#62; I note that one American fundamentalist school is already suing a university that refuses to accept it's young-earth creationist course as a valid scientific qualification, saying it is discriminating against the course for it's religious content. There are also a lot of very dubious historical claims made by some religions - events central to the faith which either have no real evidence, or actually contradict the historical record. Academia should be about seeking the *facts*, no about being 'respectful' or 'tolerant' of falsehoods hiding under the cloak of religion.

My last act before dropping out was to pull that poster down and tear it up. Hated that place :&#62;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in university, they had a sign that really annoyed me - prominantly displayed next to the student affairs office, a proud boast that the university would not discriminate against people because of their age, gender, sexual orientation, background, nationality, religion or academic ability.</p>
<p>Some of that I can agree with. But doesn&#8217;t a university refusing to discriminate on grounds of academic ability sort of defeat the whole purpose of a qualification? They are supposed to test people, and discriminate against those who fail the tests by refusing to give them the certificate.</p>
<p>I also think it dangerous for any academic organisation to be too dedicated to not discriminating on grounds of religion, because it also means they lose the ability to ridicule and dismiss people with obviously nonsense theories that have religious origins. Creationism comes immediatly to mind, but I really wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if I were to read about a doctor suing a med-school for religious discrimination because they wouldn&#8217;t tolerate his religious view that all disease is caused by demonic posession and can be cured only by exorcism :&gt; I note that one American fundamentalist school is already suing a university that refuses to accept it&#8217;s young-earth creationist course as a valid scientific qualification, saying it is discriminating against the course for it&#8217;s religious content. There are also a lot of very dubious historical claims made by some religions - events central to the faith which either have no real evidence, or actually contradict the historical record. Academia should be about seeking the *facts*, no about being &#8216;respectful&#8217; or &#8216;tolerant&#8217; of falsehoods hiding under the cloak of religion.</p>
<p>My last act before dropping out was to pull that poster down and tear it up. Hated that place :&gt;</p>
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		<title>Comment on When is discrimination OK? by jim</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2007/11/20/when-is-discrimination-ok/#comment-9231</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, discrimination CAN be a virtue.

If an interviewer hires the best candidate, that too is overt discrimination. As is arresting &#38; locking up violent goons. The Dipshit &#38; Visigoth Lobbies refuse to comment.

"Discriminating" can also mean you're perceptive &#38; not afraid to have both common sense &#38; actual standards - don't let sexists, racists &#38; religious bigots ruin a perfectly good concept. Bad enough they've royally buggered up decency as it is.

I am an unrepentant moronophobe.
If that hurts morons' feelings, I can live with that.
They're getting too powerful for me to play nice.
If we don't stop them, they'll kill us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, discrimination CAN be a virtue.</p>
<p>If an interviewer hires the best candidate, that too is overt discrimination. As is arresting &amp; locking up violent goons. The Dipshit &amp; Visigoth Lobbies refuse to comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Discriminating&#8221; can also mean you&#8217;re perceptive &amp; not afraid to have both common sense &amp; actual standards - don&#8217;t let sexists, racists &amp; religious bigots ruin a perfectly good concept. Bad enough they&#8217;ve royally buggered up decency as it is.</p>
<p>I am an unrepentant moronophobe.<br />
If that hurts morons&#8217; feelings, I can live with that.<br />
They&#8217;re getting too powerful for me to play nice.<br />
If we don&#8217;t stop them, they&#8217;ll kill us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wingnuts Write Wrong (It&#8217;s not the heat: it&#8217;s the stupidity) by Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2008/03/31/why-wingnuts-write-wrong-its-not-the-heat-its-the-stupidity/#comment-8085</link>
		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks in part to you, I wrote an entire blog post on right-wing argumentation tactics, and linked to you approvingly.  That is a very nice unpacking of a Gish Gallop. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks in part to you, I wrote an entire blog post on right-wing argumentation tactics, and linked to you approvingly.  That is a very nice unpacking of a Gish Gallop. <img src='http://www.thechaff.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wingnuts Write Wrong (It&#8217;s not the heat: it&#8217;s the stupidity) by WereBear</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2008/03/31/why-wingnuts-write-wrong-its-not-the-heat-its-the-stupidity/#comment-8050</link>
		<dc:creator>WereBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your title! A Canadian Professor, Dr. Altemeyer has an online book called "The Authoritarians" which explains that this is actually how their minds work.

Since they do have a lot of contradictory stuff in their heads, they have to make sure these incompatible thoughts are held apart by sheer force of will. Not only does this suck up energy which could be used for thinking, they literally cannot follow any train of logic to a conclusion. They do not have gears that mesh. So it's not really a matter of writing poorly on purpose. And it's not just ignorant.

It's literally that their brains don't work right. And we have the scientific research to prove it.

http://realityprinciples.blogspot.com/2007/03/focus-on-reality-challenged.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your title! A Canadian Professor, Dr. Altemeyer has an online book called &#8220;The Authoritarians&#8221; which explains that this is actually how their minds work.</p>
<p>Since they do have a lot of contradictory stuff in their heads, they have to make sure these incompatible thoughts are held apart by sheer force of will. Not only does this suck up energy which could be used for thinking, they literally cannot follow any train of logic to a conclusion. They do not have gears that mesh. So it&#8217;s not really a matter of writing poorly on purpose. And it&#8217;s not just ignorant.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s literally that their brains don&#8217;t work right. And we have the scientific research to prove it.</p>
<p><a href="http://realityprinciples.blogspot.com/2007/03/focus-on-reality-challenged.html" rel="nofollow">http://realityprinciples.blogspot.com/2007/03/focus-on-reality-challenged.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Wingnuts Write Wrong (It&#8217;s not the heat: it&#8217;s the stupidity) by Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2008/03/31/why-wingnuts-write-wrong-its-not-the-heat-its-the-stupidity/#comment-8042</link>
		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know who you are, but I think I love you.  Discourse analytics always makes me feel all tingly in my private bits.  Now I'm going to put on my rhetorician hat:

What you are pointing at is, in fact, a variation on a wingnut rhetorical technique, a subset of "move the goalpoasts" known vernacularly as the "Gish Gallop," after the Cre(a)ti(o)nist who first brought it to use in public.  Basically, the object of the Gish Gallop is to tinfoil the rhetorical radar by spewing out so many premises, crystallised factoids of bullshit and opinion, or just plain lies in as short a span as possible, in order to make one's argument impossible to refute because it simply can't be unpacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who you are, but I think I love you.  Discourse analytics always makes me feel all tingly in my private bits.  Now I&#8217;m going to put on my rhetorician hat:</p>
<p>What you are pointing at is, in fact, a variation on a wingnut rhetorical technique, a subset of &#8220;move the goalpoasts&#8221; known vernacularly as the &#8220;Gish Gallop,&#8221; after the Cre(a)ti(o)nist who first brought it to use in public.  Basically, the object of the Gish Gallop is to tinfoil the rhetorical radar by spewing out so many premises, crystallised factoids of bullshit and opinion, or just plain lies in as short a span as possible, in order to make one&#8217;s argument impossible to refute because it simply can&#8217;t be unpacked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When is discrimination OK? by Monkay</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2007/11/20/when-is-discrimination-ok/#comment-6216</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for addressing this difficult problem.  This is something that I have noticed, that RW Columnist writes "Left-wingers are big dumb bazootyheads" and then I think, "that RW columnist is a big dumb bazootyhead" and then I feel that there must be more to it than mutual loathing like unhappy children at recess; how can I prove that I am right and they are wrong?  And then that isn't really it either, it is that I feel that they are not 'arguing in good faith'.  I am quite happy to be wrong sometimes, if I were right about everything all the time that would be too strange.  okay I am rambling a bit, point is that 'behavior' is a discernable objective difference, I can tell which side I want to be on without looking at the uniform (so to speak).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for addressing this difficult problem.  This is something that I have noticed, that RW Columnist writes &#8220;Left-wingers are big dumb bazootyheads&#8221; and then I think, &#8220;that RW columnist is a big dumb bazootyhead&#8221; and then I feel that there must be more to it than mutual loathing like unhappy children at recess; how can I prove that I am right and they are wrong?  And then that isn&#8217;t really it either, it is that I feel that they are not &#8216;arguing in good faith&#8217;.  I am quite happy to be wrong sometimes, if I were right about everything all the time that would be too strange.  okay I am rambling a bit, point is that &#8216;behavior&#8217; is a discernable objective difference, I can tell which side I want to be on without looking at the uniform (so to speak).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shaving by Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2006/07/27/Shaving/#comment-5998</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't understand some parts of this article Shaving, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article Shaving, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers! by Hal</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2007/07/11/god-save-us-from-merit-pay-for-teachers/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is, I disagree with your main point and agree with everything else!  I totally agree that NCLB and its ridiculous emphasis on standardized testing are a total mistake.  But why can't good teachers be rewarded?  I work for a big engineering firm.  Every year my boss has a pot of money that goes towards raises.  He ranks his employees and decides who gets a bigger than median raise and who gets a smaller one.  Totally subjective?  Sure, but if there's an employee in the office who busts her ass and works long hours and weekends and takes the tough assignments, the boss knows this and rewards her!  If the principal is really as bad as "Joyful Alternative" says, fire the principal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is, I disagree with your main point and agree with everything else!  I totally agree that NCLB and its ridiculous emphasis on standardized testing are a total mistake.  But why can&#8217;t good teachers be rewarded?  I work for a big engineering firm.  Every year my boss has a pot of money that goes towards raises.  He ranks his employees and decides who gets a bigger than median raise and who gets a smaller one.  Totally subjective?  Sure, but if there&#8217;s an employee in the office who busts her ass and works long hours and weekends and takes the tough assignments, the boss knows this and rewards her!  If the principal is really as bad as &#8220;Joyful Alternative&#8221; says, fire the principal!</p>
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		<title>Comment on God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers! by On Merit &#171; Professor Zero</title>
		<link>http://www.thechaff.com/2007/07/11/god-save-us-from-merit-pay-for-teachers/#comment-5568</link>
		<dc:creator>On Merit &#171; Professor Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is brilliant. I would go on about why except that I must now figure out how to teach some basic material to some college students who due to NCLB, teacher merit pay, and who knows what else are now totally focused on getting points, an activity which they consider to be utterly divorced from and even antithetical to learning material.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is brilliant. I would go on about why except that I must now figure out how to teach some basic material to some college students who due to NCLB, teacher merit pay, and who knows what else are now totally focused on getting points, an activity which they consider to be utterly divorced from and even antithetical to learning material.</p>
<p>[...]  Jump to Comments Read God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers! by The Chaff. Via Unsane and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers! by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't understand some parts of this article God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers!, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article God, Save Us from Merit Pay for Teachers!, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</p>
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